This Is The BEST Modern Engine

"Nerd-Vol" (Nerd-Vol) 02/19/2014 at 23:18 • Filed to: VW, Audi

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When placed in the S4, S5, A6, A7, Q5, Q7, or even the A8.

This motor shines the brightest in the A6 and A7 where its power and smoothness are perfectly in tune with the car's ideals. This engine is extremely smooth, and powerful. At no point does it ever strain to do what it is asked to do. It also gets very good gas mileage. It is a bit overwhelmed in the Q7 and A8 but never to the point where it's intrusive to the driving experience. In the punched up versions in the S4 and S5 it is a screamer.

Bravo to VW and Audi.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:20

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LS3 begs to differ.

NinetyQ > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:21

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What's your qualification of "modern?" I'm fairly certain I'd put forward a different answer. For reliability reasons if nothing else.

Anon > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:21

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The supercharged v6 is amazing in the a6 and a7! However my vote for the best modern engine is the 4.5 litre that Ferrari puts in the 458!

Nerd-Vol > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2014 at 23:21

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How many applications is it in?

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:22

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I like the ever-so-slightly undersquare, super rather than turbo and power/weight. Not 100% sold on the "Best Modern Engine" being a 90d V6, though.

JR1 > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:22

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That is a big statement. I counter with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LS_eng…

Nerd-Vol > NinetyQ 02/19/2014 at 23:23

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Modern as in many cars you can buy today come equipped with it.

Nerd-Vol > Anon 02/19/2014 at 23:24

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I agree that the 4.5 is a great motor, but consider how few cars that is placed in.

Team6.1 > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:24

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'Murica

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:24

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Everything

Kaltrop > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2014 at 23:25

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3.8L 991 GT3 doesn't need to beg ;)

Anon > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:27

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I suppose that you do have a good point on how adaptable it is.

NinetyQ > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:28

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Yeah, I'm going to have to toss my vote to the LS series engines. If you need something more common, maybe even the 2.0L Ecoboost. I'd have to think about it though. I just don't think my vote can go to the one you picked, and I even have an Audi badge in my avatar.

ihm96 > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:28

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Audi makes some good engines. I have their 3.2l v6 in my a3. However, I think id have to go with an LS engine as the best modern one. Or if you'll allow me to be impractical then maybe a Bugatti W16

Nerd-Vol > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2014 at 23:29

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Right......

Applications:

2014–present Chevrolet SS

2008–2013 Chevrolet Corvette

2009 Pontiac G8 GXP

June 2008–present Vauxhall VXR8

2010–present Chevrolet Camaro SS

April 2008–present Holden Special Vehicles Clubsport R8 (E Series)

April 2008–present Holden Special Vehicles Grange (E Series)

April 2008–present Holden Special Vehicles GTS (E Series)

April 2008–present Holden Special Vehicles Senator Signature (E Series)

April 2008–present Holden Special Vehicles Maloo R8 (E Series)

September 2008–present Holden Special Vehicles Clubsport R8 Tourer (E Series)

So ONE car currently on sale in the USA runs the LS3. Don't get me wrong, I love the LSx but the 3.0 Audi motor is the most flexible on the market.

Nerd-Vol > Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull 02/19/2014 at 23:31

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Trust me, I understand your skepticism, but the smoothness of this engine is something that you need to drive and experience to really understand.

Ramblin Rover - The Vivisector of Solihull > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:36

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I know there are absolutely "are you a wizard" levels of balance trickery possible - hell, if GM got as well balanced as they did with the 4.3 one could do almost anything. It's just that while you get a generally more desirably tone and some better behavior torque-wise with a 90d than a 60, I'm not a huge fan of V6s in general, and would be inclined to withhold quite a bit due to stubborn personal preference. Yes, you can get an engine smoother as a V6 with balance shafts than a V8 without, but artificial correction of 2nd/3rd level harmonics isn't really my thing.

MtrRider > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2014 at 23:43

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You spelled LS7 wrong.

MtrRider > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:46

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One car today comes from the factory with an LS3, but every car has the option of the LS3.

Niquemarshall > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:48

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Here's one

Niquemarshall > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:48

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Here's one

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Nerd-Vol 02/19/2014 at 23:49

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Two.
But the Vortech truck motors, the LS7, the LSA, and every LS motor share a common platform. In all, there are probably close to 1,000,000 LS engines in the world. Not counting all of the crate motors.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MtrRider 02/19/2014 at 23:52

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Two cars.

MtrRider > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/19/2014 at 23:54

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Yeah but nobody is buying the SS sedan.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MtrRider 02/19/2014 at 23:55

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He is?!?!?

MtrRider > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/20/2014 at 00:12

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Yes, so it doesn't count.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MtrRider 02/20/2014 at 00:13

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What if I told you that their will be a next generation of it?

MtrRider > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/20/2014 at 00:17

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Of course their will buy the next gen too.

Milky > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 00:20

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Isn't this engine also in the VW Touareg hybrid and the Cayenne / Panamera hybrid?

Also they are underrated …. put down over 300hp to the wheels stock.

Manuél Ferrari > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 00:23

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The N55 and N55HP now have hurt feelings. They don't understand what the Audi V6 can do that they can't do.

MC_Leon6494 > Team6.1 02/20/2014 at 00:25

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coyote engine is best engine. v8, over 400HP, about 400 lb-ft of torque. good stuff

ChronicVw > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 00:26

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3.5 liter ecoboost, because more power, more applications, enough torque to power the worlds best selling truck, and the best thing is it doesnt come in an overpriced vw. Ive driven many audis with the 3.0t and they get going fast but I think price should be a factor taken into consideration.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MtrRider 02/20/2014 at 00:27

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Oh fuck of

MtrRider > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/20/2014 at 00:31

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Yeah, fuck Of. Maybe cut his break lines.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > MtrRider 02/20/2014 at 00:48

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Mabe poor sum gass in his serial, to.

MtrRider > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/20/2014 at 00:55

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Hes going to die in a firey wreck if you poor gass in his serial and cut his break lines.

JasonStern911 > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 01:11

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flexible =/= best. otherwise, the "best" motor is the air cooled, single cylinder Honda OHV motor from the 60s and cloned by multiple Chinese manufacturers.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/20/2014 at 01:18

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The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 02/20/2014 at 01:19

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Don't forget the new LT1!

nafsucof > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 08:05

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How about the 2.0t ecoboost from ford? It's in the jag saloon, small range rover, Taurus, fusion, escape, edge, focus, mkz, that Mexican sports car, it's used as a base for wrc motors, it makes great power, smooth, responsive, compact, stuffed with modern tech...

nafsucof > Manuél Ferrari 02/20/2014 at 08:07

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Have a confusing title? Tsupercharged?

Corey CC97, MAZDA DPI IS STILL BAE JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV JOESTACTIV VISIT FLORIDA RACING LIVES FOREVER IN OUR HEARTS > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 08:48

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Amen. Have that engine in my A6. It's brilliant.

Nerd-Vol > Manuél Ferrari 02/20/2014 at 09:48

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Good rebuttal.

Team6.1 > MC_Leon6494 02/20/2014 at 09:58

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M3 performance for $30,000. Also comes in a crate. ALSO comes in a low compression built bottom end crate

Team6.1 > Milky 02/20/2014 at 10:03

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Wow. Such plastic. Much cover.

briannutter1 > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 11:46

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Silly Germans. Sucks to equate taxes with displacement. 26mph hwy? An Lt1 would get similar mileage with another 130 hp/tq in a smaller package, less cost, and better than Vag reliability

Milky > Team6.1 02/20/2014 at 12:10

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Probably trying the engine's Audi roots …. where as the VW shows it off.

Manuél Ferrari > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 15:34

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Haha thanks

BTW I'm not saying the Audi engine isn't great. I test drove an S5 once and the engine was nifty. It just seems very similar to the BMW turbo 3 liter. Both engines are used in many applications. And I have heard that BMW worked out the reliability issues they had with the N54.

Both seem like great engines. Buyers can pick based on which type of forced induction they prefer and whether they prefer a V6 or straight 6.

anothermiatafanboy > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 17:18

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I don't see how counting how many cars an engine is used in somehow shows its flexibility. I believe a testament to the flexibility of LS motors is how often they are used in swaps. When old benzes, silvias, Porsche 911s, Volvos, trucks, miatas, and even some mustangs all have used the same motor with great results, it must be pretty damn flexible. Sidenote: I am a huge fan of the 3.0T and in no way am saying it isn't extremely flexible. I just think showing that it is used in several similar cars isn't the best way of showing that flexibility.

Dr Emilio Lizardo > Nerd-Vol 02/20/2014 at 22:57

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I've got one of those - S5 cab. It has done everything I have asked it to do over the last year.

samssun > Nerd-Vol 02/21/2014 at 06:57

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I can't believe I didn't know the 3.0T was a 90 degree V6. Guess it makes more room for the supercharger, but also means they have a balance shaft in there...unless its modernness overcame that requirement too.